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trochee ([personal profile] trochee) wrote2009-04-21 06:42 pm

Vark and the shouting white dude

Vark is a clever idea: it's like an auto-directed lazyweb, that searches your friends network (scraped off facebook, etc) to identify the person most likely to be able to answer your question.
In the lazyweb model, I post (say, here on Livejournal, or on Facebook) my question, and the people who know what to say jump in; everybody else just says 'tl;dr' and goes on.

Vark, on the other hand, has the following virtue over lazyweb. Vark won't (in principle) bomb my facebook friends from high school in Atlanta (e.g.) with the questions I throw out about good restaurants in San Francisco (this example is poorer than it should be; many of my friends from high school actually have done their tours as Mission hipsters, but you get the idea). It's been quite handy in a few cases -- particularly for things like restaurant recommendations.

My biggest headache with it thus far is the people asking questions just for the thrill of it, or to 'test' Vark: I have actually gotten the following three questions:

What is the tallest building in Seattle?, tagged *seattle*
from a Seattleite, no less

Are you man or machine?, tagged *AI*
you're an obnoxious undergrad; I'm not sure which of those that is, really

What is the difference between a normal and a transform boundary?, tagged *science*.
It's a social-networking answer service, nitwit, not a mind-reader. This could apply to signal processing, paleontology, geology, or philosophy of science, and that's just what I could think of in ten seconds. On inquiry, he meant 'geology' but "wanted to see what vark would tag it". guh.

So, Vark's problem? yep. They have the same problem that media reformers have: how do you get everybody else heard when there are so many loud white guys shouting just to hear their own voice?

(anybody want invitations to Vark? I have a few more to give out.)
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[identity profile] q-pheevr.livejournal.com 2009-04-22 02:55 am (UTC)(link)

What, the Internet Oracle wasn't good enough?

[identity profile] trochee.livejournal.com 2009-04-22 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
huh, never heard of it before. that's fun!

[identity profile] eldan.livejournal.com 2009-04-22 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
I'm wondering how much this is a teething problem because the site is new. Hopefully it will settle down once people are used to the idea, though I do also fear that your analysis may be right.

The only annoying question I've had so far was one that was blatantly someone copying a maths question from a test or homework they had.

[identity profile] trochee.livejournal.com 2009-04-22 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
i hope you're right about teething. it does seem to beat the lazyweb twitter-my-question-maybe-somebody-will-know, for certain kinds of questions.
On the other hand, there is a social good of asking those questions in public; that good is lost.

[identity profile] erg.livejournal.com 2009-04-22 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure how it works, it sounds non-intuitive, non-native.

How could it know I'm friends with people who run companies as well as the guy who makes sure the Cliff House is clean and tidy and well stocked? I can't list my networking on Vark, would I want to and if I could, would I tag it correctly.

[identity profile] trochee.livejournal.com 2009-04-22 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
well, it scrapes your friends networks off (at your discretion) Twitter, Livejournal, and facebook.

the automatic subject tagging and assignment is done using various kinds of automatic natural language processing -- I can't say which -- and the assignment to users is based on a match among topics the user has self-declared an expert, topics the user has already answered questions on (and received praise), their nearness to you, and no doubt some other factors that all go into a special-sauce authority measure for a given combination of asker and question-subject. There are probably people reading this who could say more, but I won't out them here.